Home Grown Feedback on Plantation America
I`ve had some excellent feedback on Plantation America, and I thought I`d share it with you, my brilliant and loyal readers:
I received this e-mail from reader P.G., which shows I`m merely stating something which suggests itself:
Tim, this is a wierd coincidence. I sent this commentary to Lawrence Auster last night on the Ilegal Alien situation.
Lawrence, there's an 1859 feel to much of the liberal media's rhetoric on the illegal alien situation. You have to really step back to measure to scope of moral depravity being indulged in here. The context makes it clear, as arguments are always made in favour of IA with reference to our typical indulgences - golfing, dining out, pool cleaning etc. Bottom line, these people are the new indentured servants, as their status has prevented them from exerting the rights ordinary citizens could exercise. This would be impossible to do if the border was controlled and new citizens were processed with full confidence in exercising their rights as Americans.
So, the true darkness of liberalism is exposed, human exploitation can be rationalized - as long as our desires are satisfied. Reference to the historically idealized immigrant experience of pursuing the American dream is a sick and twisted bromide in relation to the current situation.
The IA's presence in America is the avatar of a callous, selfish and willfully ignorant mindset regarding the neo-enslavement of other human beings. This is what makes support for IA so deeply immoral.
Plantation politics, plain and simple. Who other than an exploiter would want to enter into a morally unequal relationship with his fellow man? Only the slavemaster; the very idea is so repulsive I think anyone with a sense of decency would unceasingly resist it.
What's an appropriate motto for Liberal Supremist Bigotry? "Let them pick cotton".
Also, I had some great comments (and my responses) to my piece under the ``How You Gonna Keep `Em Down on the Farm`` post;
Michael Morrison said...
People who claim to support the concept of freedom are being horribly inconsistent, at best, when they oppose the right of consenting adults to engage in capitalist acts.
11:24 AM
PacRim Jim said...
The important point is that by importing 18th-century labor we prevent companies from developing 21st-century technology that would do the same work more efficiently. It dumbs down America and ensures America's children won't have access to these high-tech jobs.
11:30 AM
Arthur Dent said...
I think you are confusing migrant workers with illegal aliens.
Bird said:
Government can encourage this by making college tuition grants contingent upon employment, say, or offering tax credits to the parents of employed minors.
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Add more rules to the current tax laws?
Why would our kids pick lettuce for $5.00 per hour when they can work anywhere else for that much or more?
(Read mall, fast food or supermarket).
We need legal workers, possibly at less than minimum wage, and legal immigration. I would deny citizenship to illegals.
6:11 PM
Timothy Birdnow said...
Michael, I generally agree-provided people are not coming here illegally or in such numbers they can be exploited. My argument is that the massive flood of illegals (as opposed to a much smaller legal immigration) will destroy this nation in years to come (as, indeed, unenforced borders would destroy any nation-look what it did to Rome!) People who have come here illegally have no rights to engage in ANY acts (except maybe breathing)-they don`t belong here. They are here taking jobs Americans should be doing!
These people are trespassers; would these employers be willing to allow them to walk uninvited into their own homes and stay during the term of their employment here in America? America is ours, and they have no right to stroll in just because some cheapskate doesn`t want to pay market rate for services.
Thanks Pacrim Jim! I couldn`t agree more!
Hi Arthur Dent!
I have no problem with legal, permanent resident migrant workers-especially if they are trying to enculturate. Most of the people taking these ``jobs Americans won`t do`` are illegal aliens who are not here to enculturate but to profit off of America. (Can`t say I blame them.) This hardly invalidates my argument.
About adding more layers to the tax code; we may as well, since Congress and the President have not lifted a finger to remove a single line of the code; at least this would be doing something useful, instead of merely shafting us further. My point is that there are ways to encourage hard work (It needn`t be through taxes) and that America needs the dignity of doing her own labor.
Your point about kids not being willing to pick lettuce at $5 per hour proves my point; lettuce farmers need to pay more if they can`t find decent, legal help,or they need to find new ways of doing things. Invent a lettuce picker (or buy one, if such a thing exists). That is why American grain feeds the world, after all!
Your point;
We need legal workers, possibly at less than minimum wage, and legal immigration. I would deny citizenship to illegals.
missed the entire point of my piece; this cheap labor hurts us as a people. It`s a crutch. We start by using it because it`s convenient, then we can`t do without it. It`s a highly addictive drug. We become dependent on an endless supply of plantation labor. We become incapable of doing this work ourselves. We should just say no.
5:50 AM
Timothy Birdnow said...
Oh, and another point for both Michael and Arthur to consider; would we have this situation were it not for government interference with things? Government run schools, government financed higher education, the Job Corps, welfare programs, etc. have all conspired to rob employers of part of the labor pool. The people who traditionally took some of the less desirable jobs are no longer compelled-thanks to the welfare state taking care of their needs. Kids who would have paid their way through college no longer have to take these jobs, those on the margins find it easier to accept welfare than to take these jobs, etc.
Also, abortion has reduced the ``surplus population`` as one would-be employer of illegal labor once told a certain Mr. Dickens. This is a government policy which was originally created for that very purpose; Margaret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood as a tool for Eugenics, and they were the driving force behind abortion. We now reap what we have sewn. We are forced to bring in aliens (the types of people old Maggie S. wanted to eliminate) to work for us, since we`ve killed off our own workforce here in America.
I received this e-mail from reader P.G., which shows I`m merely stating something which suggests itself:
Tim, this is a wierd coincidence. I sent this commentary to Lawrence Auster last night on the Ilegal Alien situation.
Lawrence, there's an 1859 feel to much of the liberal media's rhetoric on the illegal alien situation. You have to really step back to measure to scope of moral depravity being indulged in here. The context makes it clear, as arguments are always made in favour of IA with reference to our typical indulgences - golfing, dining out, pool cleaning etc. Bottom line, these people are the new indentured servants, as their status has prevented them from exerting the rights ordinary citizens could exercise. This would be impossible to do if the border was controlled and new citizens were processed with full confidence in exercising their rights as Americans.
So, the true darkness of liberalism is exposed, human exploitation can be rationalized - as long as our desires are satisfied. Reference to the historically idealized immigrant experience of pursuing the American dream is a sick and twisted bromide in relation to the current situation.
The IA's presence in America is the avatar of a callous, selfish and willfully ignorant mindset regarding the neo-enslavement of other human beings. This is what makes support for IA so deeply immoral.
Plantation politics, plain and simple. Who other than an exploiter would want to enter into a morally unequal relationship with his fellow man? Only the slavemaster; the very idea is so repulsive I think anyone with a sense of decency would unceasingly resist it.
What's an appropriate motto for Liberal Supremist Bigotry? "Let them pick cotton".
Also, I had some great comments (and my responses) to my piece under the ``How You Gonna Keep `Em Down on the Farm`` post;
Michael Morrison said...
People who claim to support the concept of freedom are being horribly inconsistent, at best, when they oppose the right of consenting adults to engage in capitalist acts.
11:24 AM
PacRim Jim said...
The important point is that by importing 18th-century labor we prevent companies from developing 21st-century technology that would do the same work more efficiently. It dumbs down America and ensures America's children won't have access to these high-tech jobs.
11:30 AM
Arthur Dent said...
I think you are confusing migrant workers with illegal aliens.
Bird said:
Government can encourage this by making college tuition grants contingent upon employment, say, or offering tax credits to the parents of employed minors.
-------
Add more rules to the current tax laws?
Why would our kids pick lettuce for $5.00 per hour when they can work anywhere else for that much or more?
(Read mall, fast food or supermarket).
We need legal workers, possibly at less than minimum wage, and legal immigration. I would deny citizenship to illegals.
6:11 PM
Timothy Birdnow said...
Michael, I generally agree-provided people are not coming here illegally or in such numbers they can be exploited. My argument is that the massive flood of illegals (as opposed to a much smaller legal immigration) will destroy this nation in years to come (as, indeed, unenforced borders would destroy any nation-look what it did to Rome!) People who have come here illegally have no rights to engage in ANY acts (except maybe breathing)-they don`t belong here. They are here taking jobs Americans should be doing!
These people are trespassers; would these employers be willing to allow them to walk uninvited into their own homes and stay during the term of their employment here in America? America is ours, and they have no right to stroll in just because some cheapskate doesn`t want to pay market rate for services.
Thanks Pacrim Jim! I couldn`t agree more!
Hi Arthur Dent!
I have no problem with legal, permanent resident migrant workers-especially if they are trying to enculturate. Most of the people taking these ``jobs Americans won`t do`` are illegal aliens who are not here to enculturate but to profit off of America. (Can`t say I blame them.) This hardly invalidates my argument.
About adding more layers to the tax code; we may as well, since Congress and the President have not lifted a finger to remove a single line of the code; at least this would be doing something useful, instead of merely shafting us further. My point is that there are ways to encourage hard work (It needn`t be through taxes) and that America needs the dignity of doing her own labor.
Your point about kids not being willing to pick lettuce at $5 per hour proves my point; lettuce farmers need to pay more if they can`t find decent, legal help,or they need to find new ways of doing things. Invent a lettuce picker (or buy one, if such a thing exists). That is why American grain feeds the world, after all!
Your point;
We need legal workers, possibly at less than minimum wage, and legal immigration. I would deny citizenship to illegals.
missed the entire point of my piece; this cheap labor hurts us as a people. It`s a crutch. We start by using it because it`s convenient, then we can`t do without it. It`s a highly addictive drug. We become dependent on an endless supply of plantation labor. We become incapable of doing this work ourselves. We should just say no.
5:50 AM
Timothy Birdnow said...
Oh, and another point for both Michael and Arthur to consider; would we have this situation were it not for government interference with things? Government run schools, government financed higher education, the Job Corps, welfare programs, etc. have all conspired to rob employers of part of the labor pool. The people who traditionally took some of the less desirable jobs are no longer compelled-thanks to the welfare state taking care of their needs. Kids who would have paid their way through college no longer have to take these jobs, those on the margins find it easier to accept welfare than to take these jobs, etc.
Also, abortion has reduced the ``surplus population`` as one would-be employer of illegal labor once told a certain Mr. Dickens. This is a government policy which was originally created for that very purpose; Margaret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood as a tool for Eugenics, and they were the driving force behind abortion. We now reap what we have sewn. We are forced to bring in aliens (the types of people old Maggie S. wanted to eliminate) to work for us, since we`ve killed off our own workforce here in America.
posted by Timothy Birdnow | 6:03 AM
2 Comments:
"They are breaking a law."
Constant comment from immigration opponents.
Let me point out just a few things:
Rosa Parks broke a law.
The people who hid Anne Frank and her family broke the law.
The farmers, the patriots, at Concord and Lexington broke a law.
"The law" is not necessarily a standard by which decent people ought to be measuring acts.
The rational and decent standard is this: Is it voluntary? Are all parties to an act willing?
If no rights are being violated, then what you do with your own life, including hiring another consenting adult, is none of my business.
And, Tim and the others, if I want to hire Pedro Gonzalez and if he wants to work for me, then that's nobody's business but my own (a musical and literary reference, by the way).
Not that this is relevant to the moral question you people are mostly ignoring or distorting: Migrant and immigrant farm workers are generally getting far more than the proverbial, the mythical "$5 an hour" someone sneered at.
You might also consider this: $5 an hour beats the heck out of starving, an argument some of these same people have been making when the question was poor black people choosing welfare to minimum-wage jobs.
Oh, Consistency, they name is NOT American conservative.
Oh, wait, let me add just one more comment:
Cast your mind's eye toward the future.
You have just knocked on the Pearly Gates and Saint Peter answers.
Is he going to ask what country you're from?
Is he going to ask for your passport?
Is he going to ask for your Green Card?
No.
But he is going to ask, "How did you treat your fellow human beings?"
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