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Friday, June 03, 2005

Episode III Part II; Revenge of the Scythians

A man from Moscow named Alex wrote in response to my post Revenge of the Soviets, and so I decided to post the comments section here. I wrote a rather length reply, which I`m sure will not sit well with our new friend. I will post any further replies from Alex (or anyone else, for that matter) as they come.

By the way, do you like my title? The Scythians were an ancient people who lived along the north shore of the Black Sea. They were the forerunners of the Russians.

Read the posts below:


Alex Parkhomenko said...
Why don't you imagine for a second that true reason for Russia is self-defense? Not a post-Soviet glory but simple practical will to not to be weak?

US becomes a dictator for the world. But Russia doesn't plan to stop it. It just desires to protect itself?

No? Is it impossible? ;)

Let's stop think about enemies! You won't mind your neightbour buy a gun, but you will never think he will use it agains you althought he potentially could ;)

4:25 PM


Aussiegirl said...
Tim!! This is a simply stunning article with astounding analysis and information. You must write an article for the American Thinker along these lines!
You are so right. The Russians know that this is their one chance to be able to win against the US. They hope to be able to intimidate us with their belligerent bluster (what else is new? -- this is so familiar isn't it? Khrushchev pounding the table at the UN with his shoe? -- oy). Hopefully we have an administration which is not falling for this saber-rattling and jungle chest-thumping by the toothless gorillas of the former Soviet state -- and will just go ahead as Reagan did, with our own systems. The problem comes when you get an administration in power who goes for the old canard about "The only reason they are belligerent is because we are threatening them and forcing them to be mean -- the old -- they are depraved on account of they're deprived excuse -- this was essentially the idea that prevailed in left-wing and democrat circles during the years of the Soviet Union. Similarly today we have idiots telling us that if we would just be kinder and treat the Koran with kid gloves (literally) that the Islamofascists would get over their hatred of us and we would all sing kumbaya together as the sun sets over the horizon. No -- the Russians hope to bluster us into backing down so they can develop their own systems.

The other thing to be worried about here is the EMP bomb - I hope I have that right -- the idea is to explode a missile launched from a ship at sea which explodes in the atmosphere over the United States and fries all of our electrical systems completely.

Everything would grind to a halt. Now there's something we must develop a defense against -- this is potentially even more devastating than even nuclear attack. Oy, once you start thinking about these things you wonder how you sleep at night, and if I feel that way, imagine how those who are more in the know feel? Or at least, I HOPE that people are in the know and worrying about these things, because worry is becoming my middle name. It's a Ukrainian thing, anyhow!!

4:34 PM


Alex Parkhomenko said...
You know, Aussiegirl, Ukrainian made astonishing progress in weapons. Their rockets feels enemies onboard on a civil aircraft!

Remeber Russia's liner with Jewish onboard? The rocket itself made a desicion, turned on the ignition, opened it's dock and flew out. And BANG! No more russian liner!

Their weapons feel enemys! Ahhh. I'm scared!

9:37 PM

spanalot said...
Alex,

The Kremlin is guilty of the liquidation of 100 million in the last century and Putin continues to deny this.

I honestly believe Putin is a GOOD PERSON but what a horrible position to take when the Kremlin goes about resurrecting Stalin and such.

The USA is not guilty of such genocide (and please don't dredge up that nonsense about the American Indians) and in fact our participation in war has been to spread democracy. We conquered Germany and it is now a good democratic country. We conquered Japan and it is now a good democratic country.

The Kremlin has not spread democracy - only tyrrany and death at the point of the AK47 and it has sought to subjugate countries and not free them.

Now, we will secure outer space so that the horrors of Yalta are never repeated.



Timothy Birdnow said...
Hello, Alex, and welcome to Birdblog!

First off, let me start by saying that the United States has promised to abide by the Outer Space Treaty and not place any Weapons of Mass Destruction in orbit, and there is no reason for Russian saber-rattling over this since we don`t have adequate launch vehicles at the moment to place WMD`s in position anyway. . What we are trying to do is defend our satellites, and Russia has no reason to oppose this from a self-defense point of view. Russia can only worry about this if they want the ability to knock out our systems-and that means they are positioning themselves for first-strike capabilities. My question for you is, what types of weapons does Russia have in orbit? Russia definitely has satellite killers.

Why don`t you imagine for a second that the true reason for America is self-defense? Maybe we don`t like having our satellites destroyed as a precurser to a pre-emptive nuclear strike.

I`m sorry, Alex, but I`ve been taking Putin at his word when he said: "First and foremost, it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century." Putin was an old KGB man, and his administration has been characterized by increasing despotism. Furthermore, I`ve been reading the hysterical ravings in Pravda. I seem to remember from my Russian studies in my youth that Pravda means ``official truth`` and not merely truth. Pravda has been full of insanely anti-American rhetoric-go here for a small taste.

If you have been on the internet, you should be able to see the enormous errors and fallacies in that particular article. It sounded like something from MoveOn.Ogre or an Al Gore speech. Pravda calls our President a dictator (if he was a dictator, why hasn`t he silenced his critics?) and accused America of trying to conquer the World. (If we were bent on conquest, why haven`t we taken over in Pakistan? Why haven`t we finished off Syria? We could easily march into the Sudan under a U.N. flag, and no-one could stop us.)

We were minding our own business on September 11, 2001 when terrorists murdered 3000 of our people. We have responded in the only practical way-by going after the State sponsors of these cowardly dogs who hide behind women and children. That is the only way to win this, and your president Putin has made similar moves in Chechnya.

If Russia merely desires to protect itself, why is it selling anti-aircraft and other missiles to Syria? Why was it selling military hardware to Saddam Hussein before the war? Why has it been blocking our efforts in Iran, and selling the Iranians technology and nuclear material? These are all state sponsors of terrorism. Where do you think the Chechen rebels have been getting their weapons, their money, their training? How is Russia safer with a nuclear Iran? If these moves are for Russia`s defense, they are very poorly thought out.

The reality is, of course, they are covert moves against the United States. Putin knows we may need to go into Syria; we have satellite photos of large trucks leaving Iraq for Syria before our invasion of Iraq. Syria is even now sheltering the ``insurgents`` who have been coming into Iraq and attacking American troops. Putin warned us himself that Russian intelligence said that Saddam Hussein had all kinds of nasty things-and that he was planning a pre-emptive strike against us. Either Putin was lying to us, or he knows these nasty things went into Syria. Why, then, is he arming country which hosts just about every terrorist organization in the Middle East? Because he wants the Syrians to HURT us, that`s why! Either he has something to hide in Syria, or he is knifing us in the back. Either way, it destroys your theory that Russia is merely defending itself. You have been reading too much Pravda, or the New York Times.

I greatly admire the Russian People; they have held their heads high despite some of the worst circumstances. The problem, Alex, is that Russia has never had the rule of law, but has always been ruled by force of arms. In America, the government is restricted by law and custom. We have our Constitution, or Anglo-American heritage of freedom, our free practice of Religious Faith. We have freedom of speech; Michael Moore can make up vile lies about the President and he doesn`t have to worry about secret police coming for him. I can write this blog without the slightest fear for my person-even when Bill Clinton was in office. We can legally rally for or against something and not worry about the police arresting us. Recently, we had the Minuteman project in which ordinary citizens patrolled the border with Mexico to stop illegal aliens from coming into the country. The government opposed this, but they could not stop it. These are all examples of the rule of law, and of the freedom we enjoy here in America.

America has always been about doing what we think is the right thing. This stems from the founding of America on Judeo-Christian principles. America was founded by religious groups seeking freedom of worship. These people took their faith seriously, and charity and duty to our fellow man are at the heart of Judaism and Christianity. Most of the rest of the world doesn`t understand that when America says they are going to do something because it is the right thing to do, Americans generally mean exactly that. Europe and the Arab world assume we have ulterior motives; that we really are trying to gain some kind of advantage. If you believe that, you know nothing about America. We have been fighting the war to put an end to the cycle of violence and hatred in the middle-east. This war is not about oil, or American dominance, or empire. It is about our national defense-and about helping the downtrodden who suffer at the hands of the terrorist and violent.

Unfortunately, Russia has never known these things. First you had the Golden Horde, then the Dukes of Moscow, then the Tsars, then the Bolsheviks. You have never had any tradition of freedom. Tell me this-isn`t organized crime rampant in Russia? How have you fought it? These go hand in hand. The criminals help against government corruption, and the government against crime. You have this problem because you can`t come to a consensus, you can`t agree on how things should run. You simply don`t have the experience with a majority agreeing to respect each-other`s opinions and talk, not fight. When Putin came into power, he realized he had to repress his opponents, or they would thwart his plans and efforts. If he gets kicked out the next guys will do likewise. In America, Michael Moore can call Bush a liar, criminal, and evil man and not get arrested. Can the same be said in Russia?

THAT is why we have to worry, Alex. A nation which maintains order by force of arms has to have an enemy to explain WHY repression is necessary. I see that in Putin, I see that when reading Pravda. I see that by the way Russia has acted internationally. Things can change; Russia is not necessarily an enemy, and could be a great friend of America-and we could be a great friend of Russia. I am just very, very concerned with what I see.

Thanks for visiting my blog! I would love to hear from you again! Perhaps we can discuss this at greater length, if you would like (provided it stays in English, my Russian is VERY out of practice!)

Spaseba E Dosvedanya!

Tim Birdnow

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2 Comments:

Blogger Alex Parkhomenko said...

First off, let me start by saying that the United States has promised to abide by the Outer Space Treaty and not place any Weapons of Mass Destruction in orbit, and there is no reason for Russian saber-rattling over this since we don`t have adequate launch vehicles at the moment to place WMD`s in position anyway. . What we are trying to do is defend our satellites, and Russia has no reason to oppose this from a self-defense point of view. Russia can only worry about this if they want the ability to knock out our systems-and that means they are positioning themselves for first-strike capabilities. My question for you is, what types of weapons does Russia have in orbit? Russia definitely has satellite killers.

Tim, I don't know what translation did you read, but Ivanov said literally: “We condemn US plans to place any weapons in the outer space. Anyway if this happen I certify that we will be forced to answer it by our own programme wich would be assymetric by scale but truly effective”. And Foreighn Secretary Lavrov said “Russia was always against placing of nuclear weapons on the orbit. We still support UN Unarmament Conference decision to condemn such placement.Out position on that is clear and shared among numerous goverments in the world”.

That was said. No words about first strike. Just clear position.

Tim, I believe this is all about politics. There should be noeclusive right owners in the world. If any country wants to be the most powerful there should be another who balances this power. Just fair.

Why don`t you imagine for a second that the true reason for America is self-defense? Maybe we don`t like having our satellites destroyed as a precurser to a pre-emptive nuclear strike.

I thought this is about terrorism but not Russia. And you talking about preemptive strike from Russia. Here we clearly understand and always was that there will be no survivors in case of any nuclear srike. No at all. And nobody here wants to make any.

US dominates world's politics after 1991 and Ivanov words is a message to the rest of the world: “We are supporting no-weapons-in-space doctrine and we will support others UN countries not just by words but providing good arguments”. Pure politics.

I`m sorry, Alex, but I`ve been taking Putin at his word when he said: "First and foremost, it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century." Putin was an old KGB man, and his administration has been characterized by increasing despotism.

Bush, Sr. is former CIA man but nobody blaims him for that. I doubt KGB and CIA had had differnet methods in the Cold War period. I do doubt.

Ok. A lot of people criticize Putin here for these words. Not for the words is not true but because a lot of people abroad get it wrong.

Let imagine a fantastic thing. US is Communism-driven and Russia has 200+ years democracy. Just imagine ;)

Here in Russia its own Sbignev Bzezhinsky and Marshall plan to destroy communism dictature in US. And US economical situation is even worse and people understand that “plan economy” and weapons race with Russia is worthless and there are some people in Communist party who decide to change the things. And Russia with 200+ democracy helps to achieve new goals.

US should be a democratic country. But something goes wrong. Economy is in ruins because everything is broken. All links are diminished. People are pure but free.

And Texas is going to be independent. Than Florida and than California. And Mexicans is establishing influence in Texas. A lot of criminal. Another currency, etc. But some unique plants was in Texas and Mainland has to build it's own. And Texas has to build everything form the scratch. English is dismissed in Texas and everybody is forced to speak Hispanic. An etc...

Nightmare, isn't it?

I have to said that although I work in Moscow I am not a Russia citizen. My homeland coutry is Kazakhstan and I do love it. I proud of what we did since 91-93. But from the point of our independence till 98 it was a nightmare. A little money in the budget, poverty, no electricity for weeks, cold winters and coal furnaces in flats.

We had relatives around former USSR and all of them are citizens of different countries now. We had no money to visit them.

These eight years was a catastrophe. Demolishing of big country is always a catastrophe. You wasn't been there. You lived in the rich US and studied, changed cars, bought homes when we had no sugar for tea sometimes and I don't mean coffee at all.

USSR was always an enemy for you but just imagine what happens to people there when everything is crashing around. Do you proud that your enemy was demolished and people fall into the povetry?

That what Mr.Putin meant. He is not nostalgic about USSR but he is trying to remind to the world what happened.

1:55 AM  
Blogger Alex Parkhomenko said...

Unfortunately, Russia has never known these things. First you had the Golden Horde, then the Dukes of Moscow, then the Tsars, then the Bolsheviks. You have never had any tradition of freedom.

During the Golden Horde and Dukes there was no America at all and Europe was in the same stage as Russia. There was Inquisition and Bruno's execution. And what about religion mass-murders? Slavery in America? KKK? No?

What are you trying to say? One nation is better than another?

I think this is merely rasist point of view. We should argue on modern reality but not on the history of the mankind.

4:10 AM  

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