They Run to Iran
What will it take to convince the Bush administration that we need to deal with Iran now? Here is just one more reason for the United States to act.
An anonymous reader commented on this post, and I thought everyone would be interested in the ensuing argument:
Anonymous said...
Sign the Kyoto treaty, cut CO2 emissions. America is stifling the world. Increase aid and debt relief for Africa in line with European commitment. America is a country without a conscious; ignoring human rights atrocities in Africa, and instead warmongering with oil harbouring countries. There is NO international support for military action in Iran, your government has created an atmosphere of fear to manipulate its populace, to justify American violence.
7:28 AM
Timothy Birdnow said...
First, try reading this.
Second, I hate to rain on your parade, but we shell out far more money in aid to Africa than anyone else in the world.
Finally, our 60+ nation coalition hardly amounts to no international support; just because the rodents in the U.N. aren`t behind action in Iran doesn`t mean there is no support. Even if they aren`t, so what? If Iran gets the bomb, they`ll use it. Not everyone is a coward, my friend.
By the way, could you please explain to me how reducing atmospheric CO2 is going to end terrorism or stop Iranian nuclear ambitions?
2:06 PM
Anonymous said...
Aid as a fraction of GDP? The EU recently agreed to commit to spending 0.7% of national wealth, a lost cause in the US. Quote Max Lawson a policy adviser at the British charity Oxfam referring to US "additionality": "The US plan is dastardly"
Check out:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4612337.stm
I liked your comment "Even if the UN don’t support action against Iran, so what?." So is America judge, jury, and executioner? Money doesn't buy intelligence, or diplomacy it would seem. . .
8:18 AM
Timothy Birdnow said...
``The American argument is that Africa needs much better economic policies - not open-ended amounts of aid - and that aid is best tied to good governance.``
Apparently you didn`t bother to read this-or you don`t understand it. We don`t OWE Africa anything. You seem upset that we don`t want to allow business as usual in Africa, but instead want to actually make things better. You advocate throwing good money after bad, perpetuating the policies which has kept Africa in grinding poverty and in a state of constant war. Oh, and I don`t care what some liberal British twit thinks of the United States.
You complain that we aren`t shelling out more in GDP, not actual dollars. How much does Europe have to spend on military defense? WE spend that money to protect these ingrates so they can accuse us of stinginess. How much does Europe spend in Latin America, in Southeast Asia, etc. We pay more for the U.N. than any European country. Also, your complaint revolves around tax dollars being spent-you ignore private charitable contributions.
Finally, You ignore the fact that most nations never achieve their promises-and this .7% is a guaranteed fiction. You fail to point out that the United States paid in official developemental assistance in `04 well over twice as much as the second-highest contributor. You want to talk percentages because you believe the motto ``from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs``.
The United Nations is a hopelessly corrupt and incompetent institution. I notice you ignored the point that we have 60 nations with us in our Iraqi coalition-it disproves your talking-points mantra. Still, even if we were alone in this, we would be right. You seem to think consensus is a goal in it`s own right; are you prepared to gamble your LIFE on that, anonymous? I`m not, and I`m not going to trust my safety to a bunch of corrupt Eurocrats and U.N. lackeys. During the 1930`s Europe gave Hitler everything he demanded, and would have resisted Churchil had he been P.M. and advocated a hardline policy with Hitler. Did that make Chamberlain correct? His was the favored policy-appeasement. Must go along with the majority!
If our national security requires the United States to be judge, jury, and executioner-so be it!
An anonymous reader commented on this post, and I thought everyone would be interested in the ensuing argument:
Anonymous said...
Sign the Kyoto treaty, cut CO2 emissions. America is stifling the world. Increase aid and debt relief for Africa in line with European commitment. America is a country without a conscious; ignoring human rights atrocities in Africa, and instead warmongering with oil harbouring countries. There is NO international support for military action in Iran, your government has created an atmosphere of fear to manipulate its populace, to justify American violence.
7:28 AM
Timothy Birdnow said...
First, try reading this.
Second, I hate to rain on your parade, but we shell out far more money in aid to Africa than anyone else in the world.
Finally, our 60+ nation coalition hardly amounts to no international support; just because the rodents in the U.N. aren`t behind action in Iran doesn`t mean there is no support. Even if they aren`t, so what? If Iran gets the bomb, they`ll use it. Not everyone is a coward, my friend.
By the way, could you please explain to me how reducing atmospheric CO2 is going to end terrorism or stop Iranian nuclear ambitions?
2:06 PM
Anonymous said...
Aid as a fraction of GDP? The EU recently agreed to commit to spending 0.7% of national wealth, a lost cause in the US. Quote Max Lawson a policy adviser at the British charity Oxfam referring to US "additionality": "The US plan is dastardly"
Check out:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4612337.stm
I liked your comment "Even if the UN don’t support action against Iran, so what?." So is America judge, jury, and executioner? Money doesn't buy intelligence, or diplomacy it would seem. . .
8:18 AM
Timothy Birdnow said...
``The American argument is that Africa needs much better economic policies - not open-ended amounts of aid - and that aid is best tied to good governance.``
Apparently you didn`t bother to read this-or you don`t understand it. We don`t OWE Africa anything. You seem upset that we don`t want to allow business as usual in Africa, but instead want to actually make things better. You advocate throwing good money after bad, perpetuating the policies which has kept Africa in grinding poverty and in a state of constant war. Oh, and I don`t care what some liberal British twit thinks of the United States.
You complain that we aren`t shelling out more in GDP, not actual dollars. How much does Europe have to spend on military defense? WE spend that money to protect these ingrates so they can accuse us of stinginess. How much does Europe spend in Latin America, in Southeast Asia, etc. We pay more for the U.N. than any European country. Also, your complaint revolves around tax dollars being spent-you ignore private charitable contributions.
Finally, You ignore the fact that most nations never achieve their promises-and this .7% is a guaranteed fiction. You fail to point out that the United States paid in official developemental assistance in `04 well over twice as much as the second-highest contributor. You want to talk percentages because you believe the motto ``from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs``.
The United Nations is a hopelessly corrupt and incompetent institution. I notice you ignored the point that we have 60 nations with us in our Iraqi coalition-it disproves your talking-points mantra. Still, even if we were alone in this, we would be right. You seem to think consensus is a goal in it`s own right; are you prepared to gamble your LIFE on that, anonymous? I`m not, and I`m not going to trust my safety to a bunch of corrupt Eurocrats and U.N. lackeys. During the 1930`s Europe gave Hitler everything he demanded, and would have resisted Churchil had he been P.M. and advocated a hardline policy with Hitler. Did that make Chamberlain correct? His was the favored policy-appeasement. Must go along with the majority!
If our national security requires the United States to be judge, jury, and executioner-so be it!
posted by Timothy Birdnow | 6:49 AM
4 Comments:
Sign the Kyoto treaty, cut CO2 emissions. America is stifling the world. Increase aid and debt relief for Africa in line with European commitment. America is a country without a conscious; ignoring human rights atrocities in Africa, and instead warmongering with oil harbouring countries. There is NO international support for military action in Iran, your government has created an atmosphere of fear to manipulate its populace, to justify American violence.
First, try reading this.
Second, I hate to rain on your parade, but we shell out far more money in aid to Africa than anyone else in the world.
Finally, our 60+ nation coalition hardly amounts to no international support; just because the rodents in the U.N. aren`t behind action in Iran doesn`t mean there is no support. Even if they aren`t, so what? If Iran gets the bomb, they`ll use it. Not everyone is a coward, my friend.
By the way, could you please explain to me how reducing atmospheric CO2 is going to end terrorism or stop Iranian nuclear ambitions?
Aid as a fraction of GDP? The EU recently agreed to commit to spending 0.7% of national wealth, a lost cause in the US. Quote Max Lawson a policy adviser at the British charity Oxfam referring to US "additionality": "The US plan is dastardly"
Check out:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4612337.stm
I liked your comment "Even if the UN don’t support action against Iran, so what?." So is America judge, jury, and executioner? Money doesn't buy intelligence, or diplomacy it would seem. . .
``The American argument is that Africa needs much better economic policies - not open-ended amounts of aid - and that aid is best tied to good governance.``
Apparently you didn`t bother to read this-or you don`t understand it. We don`t OWE Africa anything. You seem upset that we don`t want to allow business as usual in Africa, but instead want to actually make things better. You advocate throwing good money after bad, perpetuating the policies which has kept Africa in grinding poverty and in a state of constant war. Oh, and I don`t care what some liberal British twit thinks of the United States.
You complain that we aren`t shelling out more in GDP, not actual dollars. How much does Europe have to spend on military defense? WE spend that money to protect these ingrates so they can accuse us of stinginess. How much does Europe spend in Latin America, in Southeast Asia, etc. We pay more for the U.N. than any European country. Also, your complaint revolves around tax dollars being spent-you ignore private charitable contributions.
Finally, You ignore the fact that most nations never achieve their promises-and this .7% is a guaranteed fiction. You fail to point out that the United States paid in official developemental assistance in `04 well over twice as much as the second-highest contributor. You want to talk percentages because you believe the motto ``from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs``.
The United Nations is a hopelessly corrupt and incompetent institution. I notice you ignored the point that we have 60 nations with us in our Iraqi coalition-it disproves your talking-points mantra. Still, even if we were alone in this, we would be right. You seem to think consensus is a goal in it`s own right; are you prepared to gamble your LIFE on that, anonymous? I`m not, and I`m not going to trust my safety to a bunch of corrupt Eurocrats and U.N. lackeys. During the 1930`s Europe gave Hitler everything he demanded, and would have resisted Churchil had he been P.M. and advocated a hardline policy with Hitler. Did that make Chamberlain correct? His was the favored policy-appeasement. Must go along with the majority!
If our national security requires the United States to be judge, jury, and executioner-so be it!
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